Fredrik Wallin | Kubb in Sweden and EKC in Stockholm

00:00.00

klahro

Just check if everything is running is your can we tell something? Yeah, sounds good. Okay, so then some intro music.

00:04.95

Fredrik Wallin

Hello hello.

00:21.10

klahro

So this is a Happy Co Podcast again my name is Klaus and I'm here today with a word champion in Koop from sweden fredeic wallin so hey, how are you good? yeah.

00:35.16

Fredrik Wallin

Um, I know I'm good. How are you.

00:40.50

klahro

I'm still on further ventur and have a good time here. So and and now I'm looking for maybe 1 hour have a great podcast guest here. So let's start for first of all,

00:42.80

Fredrik Wallin

Nice, nice.

00:52.30

Fredrik Wallin

All right. It's nice to be here.

00:58.96

klahro

My first question all the time is it's when and where did you play coop the last time.

01:04.12

Fredrik Wallin

The last time it was actually last Tuesday yeah, a Peter by and all is renting in a hole we will play indoor.

01:07.27

klahro

So okay, where.

01:18.68

klahro

Yeah, it So you you play every week or.

01:22.70

Fredrik Wallin

Last year I was there 2 times this year one time so far this about? yeah they they play every week yep

01:33.38

klahro

Okay, great. Maybe why why are you just once or twice there.

01:40.48

Fredrik Wallin

I don't know it is because of this time of the year I'm swamped with work I have a lot to do and also I'm away every Monday evening every Thursday evening so it's hard to convince the wife I want.

01:45.62

klahro

Okay, maybe oh.

01:58.33

Fredrik Wallin

To go play cob on Tuesdays and be your way one more.

02:01.14

klahro

Okay, yeah, that leads me to my first questions. So maybe can you introduce yourself a little bit so you're a player from blue orange. But so who is Frederick.

02:11.24

Fredrik Wallin

Who is Frederick I'm an accountant I have been an accountant for the last fifteen years I have my own little firm with 8 employees.

02:16.58

klahro

Okay.

02:28.91

Fredrik Wallin

And yeah in the free time I like play cub the boxing and now brasiliannewyoutube

02:35.53

klahro

Nice. Okay I didn't know that maybe if if I knew maybe I would be a little bit quiet at the field if I would knew that you in tiebox.

02:50.28

Fredrik Wallin

Um, ah, no, but I don't think it's a problem.

02:55.24

klahro

Ah, okay, so, how is that combined Ku Jijutu and tie boxing.

03:00.74

Fredrik Wallin

I don't know I don't maybe ty boxing hind you Youtube has something in common but couldies. You know it's good. It's amazing.

03:12.13

klahro

Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah you you say it? Okay and you you have a family so also kids.

03:20.41

Fredrik Wallin

Yep I have 1 wife and the 3 kids 4 4 10 and soon twelve years old

03:27.69

klahro

Okay, so we see them one day at the field.

03:34.73

Fredrik Wallin

Yes, they actually my oldest daughters they played their first world championship last year yeah Yeah they ah.

03:41.22

klahro

Oh nice, Great How how how was there playing.

03:48.96

Fredrik Wallin

They were quite good. They make it through to Saturday and then they met kp wild dogs and yeah, you know that's hard for them.

03:50.84

klahro

Okay.

03:57.27

klahro

So oh and and they want to compete again and also at the ekc this year or great. Great.

04:05.61

Fredrik Wallin

I yeah yeah they will I hope there and will be the first swedish team to enter the freshman's cup. But.

04:18.80

Fredrik Wallin

Um, yeah, yeah I am.

04:18.15

klahro

Maybe you can push a little bit. Yeah, okay and so how is your your own coop history I guess maybe in Sweden you knew the game a long time ago. But so how did you came?

04:31.73

Fredrik Wallin

Ah.

04:34.27

klahro

Ah, how was your way until you came became a world champion.

04:36.90

Fredrik Wallin

Well, it's start. My wife is from Gotland So when I met her you know as a swede I know yeah I have played cubb in Midsummer Ze you know sometime. But when I came to gotland.

04:40.74

klahro

Oh.

04:54.50

Fredrik Wallin

Her father that plays with kubekana they used to play I think their best world championship is silver and they were playing Kub all the time practicing for the world championship in the summer so ah as started to play with them and I got hooked real fast.

05:14.12

klahro

Okay, and and how the team of blue orange became then a thing.

05:23.16

Fredrik Wallin

Oh that's a lot that's fifteen years later I think I think it was in 2000 the winter 2000 1415 we decided to ah we started blue orange.

05:26.30

klahro

Okay, okay.

05:39.10

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah.

05:40.20

klahro

Yeah, and you you, all of your blue orange members. You you knew before or did you do some other sports before or how how did this came up.

05:50.18

Fredrik Wallin

You me and pair we knew each other for we are family and we met Marcel and Alex were friends and we met that tournaments and you know hooked up. And became friends and said that we wanted to play together and we were meeting a lot to practice.

06:08.67

klahro

Yeah, and okay so when you started with Blownd was it like hey let's start and become one day world champion or was it a just have fun at some tournaments or.

06:22.60

Fredrik Wallin

And at that time we practice a lot of kub. Yeah, so it was it was serious. We really wanted to win the world championship. Of course. Yeah.

06:26.89

klahro

Who.

06:34.96

klahro

Ah, nice, nice and as you you said there in Sweden everybody I guess knows coop and is playing maybe in midsummer and at the garden or something but is the word championship.

06:47.34

Fredrik Wallin

Him.

06:51.70

klahro

Ah, thing in Sweden do everybody knows it or.

06:57.15

Fredrik Wallin

Well I don't know it's it's definitely as a thing on goton of course. Yeah, it's a you know a big party every year but outside of Gotland I'm not so sure.

06:59.84

klahro

Who.

07:12.22

Fredrik Wallin

Course we have a negro that's us their community and they are always coming to the world championship. But I think we need more people to learn about that Co can be serious and fun.

07:28.53

klahro

Yeah, so in it's more like a garden Garden game or but would you say? yeah.

07:31.17

Fredrik Wallin

Yes, yeah, yeah, it's very different. It's very different in Sweden than in Germany and Belgium and Switzerland because if you pay play what? That's what but I think that's. In these countries when you play cove. You're very good at Kub in Sweden everybody knows about they know about kuve but very few people are mastering. It.

07:53.90

klahro

Yeah. Yeah, but when when is when do you learn kubernetes in sweno or how is it all always the same game with eight meters in the also in the childhood or or do you play.

08:12.46

Fredrik Wallin

I think when you play Cobb in the one day every year in midsummer even when all of Sweden place Kub is not eight meters it can be five meters and twelve meters

08:15.10

klahro

Other things or.

08:31.89

Fredrik Wallin

We don't have any sidelines and you know and everyone has different rules. You.

08:35.74

klahro

Okay, but so it's more like a fun game for drinking the whole night and have fun. Okay, yeah, okay, and but anyway can you give us a little overview about coop in Sweden.

08:41.51

Fredrik Wallin

Um, it yes, it is Swift.

08:54.90

klahro

Um, of course in Goldland you said it's there's a thing and it's quite serious and they know the championship the more championship but what is about the mainland and where are the tournaments or how is it organized.

09:14.78

Fredrik Wallin

There is besides got there is in nibru in Sweden they have their own hole for indoor cup with very nice fields now. And they have the swedish championship in ku 1 on 1 and 2 versus 2 or more. That's what ah where I have been and there are big tournaments in the northern. Ah, Sweden also, but.

09:29.10

klahro

No.

09:43.73

Fredrik Wallin

Haven't been there and just learned actually that there were tournaments they have a big tournament somewhere in the north I don't know where that's it's the same weekend as the world championship every year but I I think they have like eighty or one hundred teams but I don't know the skill level.

09:45.57

klahro

No Nice. It.

09:57.85

klahro

Wow yeah, okay, and but you have been also in europe for some tournaments in like Berlin or the case you wake up but not so much in Sweden.

10:02.40

Fredrik Wallin

Of it.

10:08.41

Fredrik Wallin

Um, yeah.

10:16.29

klahro

Right? Okay, okay yeah, of course because it yeah okay equation. But but now there's a I say a Swedish federation right.

10:17.58

Fredrik Wallin

And no, no, that's true. It's much better competition in in Europe and and also ah we didn't know of it of their tournaments. So yeah.

10:36.70

klahro

Are you or are you also in that. Okay, why not? okay.

10:36.12

Fredrik Wallin

You? Ah no I'm not I don't know actually because and I think all the members are from Gotland leaving on gottland.

10:48.46

klahro

It.

10:51.63

Fredrik Wallin

I Think it is like that now but I know that they're trying to make it bigger. So the community will yeah, get bigger.

10:55.49

klahro

Yeah.

11:01.61

klahro

Yeah, um, and now we also have the the ekc this year also in Sweden right? And you you are one of the main organizer or you are the main organizer I guess, so.

11:08.80

Fredrik Wallin

Yes.

11:17.60

Fredrik Wallin

I have that I am the spider in the web.

11:19.29

klahro

How how would you.

11:25.18

klahro

How would you say? What's the journey to become now the organizer for the in Kc and so so when when did you say? okay I will do it or we will do it. Can you maybe.

11:32.39

Fredrik Wallin

This is.

11:41.67

Fredrik Wallin

Um, yeah, yes I was sitting in my car and I received a text message from christoph in he said it said ah can we have a call today.

11:43.12

klahro

Tell us a little bit about that.

11:57.57

Fredrik Wallin

I got nervous and I thought I have done something wrong in the last e or something I have said something. But I gave him a call and he asked me hey Frederick we have a problem we we does. We doesn't have a country for ekc. Ah. Can you arrange this and I asked him did you call the wrong number or something and he said no I'm serious. So actually that day we werere going to a cu event and I I went to a bar with pair. And we sat down and I told him christopher lost has lost his mind. He asked me to arrange ekc and and he para actually is dead. Yeah will should you talk to the event guy that we are meeting today because that's what they do holding events. This was a very small tournament. It was. 2 fields and we played 1 game for four weeks every Wednesday for four weeks until the tournament was over but I told him about akc I sent him the after movies and you know we talked a little about it.

13:01.91

klahro

Okay.

13:13.40

Fredrik Wallin

And he said yeah I want to do this I want to do this event. So I called you on and in and asked him can Cub Gotland and swedish confederation do this and he said yes we can so now it's on. It's a lot It's a lot of work but camilo on the event team. They are amazing and yu one is very experienced with arranging cook tournaments. So I think this they are a good mix and it will in the end. Be.

13:44.36

klahro

Yeah.

13:49.75

klahro

What what is your? what is your main part at the moment. Yeah.

13:50.21

Fredrik Wallin

Ah, perfect match for a nice easy.

13:56.89

Fredrik Wallin

Now. What? what we are now we're working On. We set up a company I I wrote a letter to the Swedish tax authorities to ask them that could be a sport. For tax reasons because it's only 6% V at if it's a sport and we got that through. So then we started ah a company which and then we went to bex.

14:16.87

klahro

Yeah, okay.

14:29.58

Fredrik Wallin

Sports is our main sponsor this year and had a very good meeting. They were sponsoring and us with 130 cup sets and.

14:37.22

klahro

Of course you need of course you need 130 because you have higher numbers now right.

14:45.19

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, yeah, and yeah, and that that's where we are actually um tomorrow I'm going out to the fields with Tom to see if we can arrange the fields and the area.

14:51.92

klahro

Yeah.

15:02.28

Fredrik Wallin

That we have in the organization group as we want as the event company wants that is actually possible.

15:07.43

klahro

Yeah, so I didn't understand so is now Kub official sport in Sweden or why? Great great. Okay.

15:14.32

Fredrik Wallin

Yes, it is by tax means because they they actually gave me a call and they wanted to know if it's you know strict rules sizes of the cove sizes of the sticks. And and so and a regular you know size of the fields if I if I would have said no it would have been a sport then it's just a game for fun but I send them links to Ekc the world championship for them to see that it can be serious.

15:38.26

klahro

Yeah.

15:44.58

klahro

So do you? yeah and is it just like a local or regional thing or is it for whole Sweden. Wow so with with organizing the in Kc you made Koop for.

15:49.39

Fredrik Wallin

And then it's a sport.

15:54.37

Fredrik Wallin

Hold Sweden. Yeah.

16:03.99

klahro

To an official sport now. Yeah great wait wait just a small.

16:06.15

Fredrik Wallin

Yes, ah.

16:15.90

Fredrik Wallin

Ah.

16:16.80

klahro

Ah, that's that's really good. Yeah, and, how or how much would it be if it's not be a sport because you said 6%

16:28.11

Fredrik Wallin

Den it said then it's 25% v eighty so it will be ah less money to work on with tournament and as you know ku isn't bringing in the millions. So all of the money we are.

16:30.56

klahro

Oh yeah, that's a.

16:44.12

Fredrik Wallin

Getting from the admission fees will go straight to the tournament. So it's very important that we have as much as we can.

16:49.93

klahro

Yeah, yeah, of course in 6% or 25 is a huge difference. So okay and as we now talking about the e kc a little bit. I guess some.

16:55.35

Fredrik Wallin

Yes, it is.

17:06.15

klahro

Guys in all europe are asking. Okay, Sweden nice Stockholm nice. But how is about the money. What about drinks food, everything. I I think even in Germany I hit in the feedback round.

17:17.96

Fredrik Wallin

Um, yeah.

17:25.46

klahro

For somebody. Um, okay was a little bit expensive in my opinion not but I guess it was okay. But what do you think? what will be the prices for maybe a beer or some food.

17:32.12

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, yeah.

17:40.12

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, we we are this part is on the event company but it will they are actually brewing beer for this event so they can get the cost down to like 5 or six euros for one beer.

17:51.67

klahro

No.

17:59.17

klahro

Okay, for for how much how much now? Um, but how much to drink in the glass I. Okay yeah.

17:59.39

Fredrik Wallin

And that is very cheap 5 or six euros for a beer all 40 centilliters. Yeah normal beer. Yeah, and if you go to the restaurant nearby the fields you will have to pay fifteen Euros for a beer.

18:18.23

klahro

Okay, here. That's real cheap and I remember we had in the beginning of the planning the event some question marks about in general to sell beer.

18:18.29

Fredrik Wallin

So it's it's cheap.

18:25.91

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah.

18:35.20

klahro

Or to have it like an adult event or like a kids free event or something is it. Do you have a solution for that.

18:37.23

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, yes, we will have to ask the police for permission to set up a beer of areas so you can only drink. The beer you buy within that area and the solution that they have presented is very nice because it's a quite big area so you can have beer by the fields that we're playing and hopefully we will know tomorrow The beer area will go through the final. Ah, real at Theater. So um.

19:18.28

klahro

Nice so is that is it typical in Sweden to also and it maybe at the concert or something. Do you have some areas for be or ah is it now. Is it now for this group event.

19:29.35

Fredrik Wallin

Yes, ah no, no, it's the same everywhere what we can do is that we rent fences and fence the whole cobe area and has permission to sell beard in there with 18 plus. But.

19:43.70

klahro

Here.

19:46.33

Fredrik Wallin

The then the fee to play would be a little too high I think the cost of renting the fences.

19:49.79

klahro

Okay, so yeah, just I just want to understand So there's no typical like a family event event where you can buy beer in pub in public.

20:05.84

Fredrik Wallin

No no, you cannot buy beer in the public.

20:07.28

klahro

Right? Okay, crazy didn't know that maybe crazy just for me as a German but.

20:16.79

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, yeah, know it's ah I think it's crazy for everyone except Sweden and Denmark or Norway.

20:23.12

klahro

Okay, okay, yeah, how is it just go and got it away from the beer now. How is it else going in the EKC organizing

20:29.38

Fredrik Wallin

Now.

20:36.95

klahro

So what are the next steps we we talked in the last meeting I guess about the about the arena and you have a small you don't have to tell everything now. But I guess you have a new idea for the final areas right.

20:52.80

Fredrik Wallin

Exactly yeah and there is a theater with with areas to sit. It's very beautiful area. It's a little maybe fifty meters away from the normal to say co fields.

21:10.15

klahro

Yep.

21:11.32

Fredrik Wallin

Where you can sit in the grass and that's the that's where the beer area will also go around so you can sit or stand by the bar to look at the finals. Um, yeah, it will be really nice I Just hope it works.

21:20.70

klahro

Really nice. Yeah.

21:27.43

Fredrik Wallin

Because I haven't been there myself. It's the event company and they want to do their thing. It's amazing, but it also we need to be able to play Kub there. It has to be grass.

21:34.71

klahro

Of course, of course. Yeah, oh yeah, more more or less ask Belgian and in of course in Wisma Everything was wasn't perfect as well.

21:43.68

Fredrik Wallin

Um, yeah, you.

21:53.79

klahro

With the grass and even the a lot of fields were not really even so yeah, okay so it's a great. It's a a big park or what is it.

22:00.33

Fredrik Wallin

It will be the same here. It could be the same of course. Yeah, it's a big park. It's the the guys renting it out. It's the it's the it's a Royal park.

22:13.86

klahro

Oh nice.

22:16.00

Fredrik Wallin

So it's a very beautiful area and they have robots cutting the grass every day. So the grass is super nice but we also have the problem. It's not super straight everywhere. So we really need to think of how to set up the fields.

22:30.15

klahro

Yeah.

22:35.68

Fredrik Wallin

And we just found out actually that there's another area that is included in the rent that we will also check out tomorrow. It's quite big area. It's about one hundred meters from the the fields that you have seen in the main area and if we can play there then.

22:47.61

klahro

Yeah.

22:54.52

Fredrik Wallin

The task will be a lot easier.

22:55.73

klahro

Yeah, okay, yeah, but sounds really good and after the casey in Stockholm. It's then a royal spot.

23:06.80

Fredrik Wallin

Um, yeah, a Royal born. Yeah I like it.

23:10.80

klahro

Nice. Okay, so um, little bit about the freshman's cup. We have now we have now I guess 7 countries or 6 or 7 from Europe but.

23:16.63

Fredrik Wallin

Um, yeah.

23:22.45

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah.

23:27.51

klahro

No team at the moment from Sweden um, but of course you you said and I totally agree they probably will yeah subscribe at the two or three weeks before but what do? what do you think? Um, how many teams.

23:31.43

Fredrik Wallin

Um, yep.

23:40.78

Fredrik Wallin

Exactly.

23:46.52

klahro

Can be in the freshman's cup. Okay.

23:50.60

Fredrik Wallin

I Hope we can fill it I Really hope we can because I think it's since Stockhom is a bit different because everyone that they know about Koop but they don't know about tournaments of ku.

24:02.64

klahro

Yeah.

24:05.54

Fredrik Wallin

Now it's in the it's very close to the City Center if we can get this out by ah by advertising the right way I'm sure we can fill it.

24:18.40

klahro

Yeah, did you already have something like ah like a little press coverage or something how to like? yeah the european cup championship will come to Stockholm or something.

24:30.20

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, Camillo has been writing to newspapers and wanting f for interviews regarding this but I'm not into it's exactly how they work with it.

24:37.34

klahro

Yeah, nice, yeah, okay, but as we just mentioned or or recognized in with in wisma. It's really interesting for the media because it's. Not so typical and yeah when when Kube is not a sport until now in Sweden I guess it's very interesting for them. So yeah, yeah.

25:07.46

Fredrik Wallin

Um, it's it. The could is a subculture right? It's very. It's a very small community but it's a very cool community.

25:14.60

klahro

Yeah, is it is it.

25:17.47

Fredrik Wallin

Everyone or friends. It's a very you know happy place to be and I'm sure that when people hear about tournaments like this they will want to play I Really think so.

25:20.20

klahro

It it.

25:29.22

klahro

Yeah, great I'm I'm really yeah, excited about the casey in Stockholm.

25:38.78

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, me too me too I think ah the hard part is to when you talk to people that don't play cub so much when you talk to them in February that there's a tournament of Kub and you lie please go yeah in and register they said. Well, it's July I I were raised later I don't know what I'm doing in July it's not very important for them for all the for for all the players that added one 1 the crew the site crashed so it's a big difference.

25:57.51

klahro

Yeah, yeah, of course.

26:08.30

klahro

Yeah, of course yeah so we will see this is somebody of for blue orange playing or okay, okay, okay, and how hours. Ah.

26:18.11

Fredrik Wallin

Um, yes, every everyone but me yeah.

26:25.70

klahro

A little topics switch now. How's the vibe in their team because now you have organized members in the ekc and the world championship. So is that the topic.

26:33.70

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, know and well it's a good topic and as I said I'm going with Tom tomorrow. He's helping me with the feeds and.

26:43.61

klahro

Yeah.

26:49.61

Fredrik Wallin

I think it's ekc can be a good place to advertise for the world championship. Also that if people like it they can go to Gotland and play even more code. And so no, it's it's not a problem at all I think the cook community. It's ah it's too small to be. You know.

26:56.19

klahro

Yeah.

27:00.45

klahro

Yeah, hope.

27:07.72

Fredrik Wallin

Picking sides where we we're in this together.

27:08.75

klahro

Yeah, but but how how do you see this for this year I guess there are not so many european countries at the world championship because of course also with the ekc some weeks before. So.

27:19.43

Fredrik Wallin

Me. Okay.

27:25.95

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, well what can I do about that I hope all the teams will also go to world championship of course but I understand that they won't because it's very expensive. But.

27:26.63

klahro

But do you think about that.

27:36.43

klahro

Yeah.

27:41.27

Fredrik Wallin

The Kc has to be 1 other one new country every year right? to keep its coolness so it won't be in Sweden again for maybe four or five years

27:50.30

klahro

Yeah, but do you will play at the watch image up. Okay and Tom also yeah, okay, very nice. So maybe a little bit about.

27:55.25

Fredrik Wallin

Yes I will of course yep.

28:10.26

klahro

Um, sorry just small cut. Okay yeah, wait second I did open so tearsers how how is it school in Sweden right school. Yeah i've.

28:22.68

Fredrik Wallin

School What you see human.

28:27.30

klahro

I Still I'm still drinking the tropical lemon here on on the on the island. It's auto beer but was was lemon.

28:31.84

Fredrik Wallin

Um, what is that? okay.

28:42.92

klahro

Okay, maybe let's talk about little bit now we talk about you a bit and about Sweden and the e kc, in general if you think about koop.

28:54.30

Fredrik Wallin

Um, yeah, um, yep.

28:58.77

klahro

What do you think is needed for the next years to become a sport all over Europe and and how can we get there and okay, sorry what do you think is cook needed to become a sport.

29:05.74

Fredrik Wallin

1 more time to to become.

29:17.40

klahro

All over Europe.

29:20.40

Fredrik Wallin

Um, if the potential is already there we have to spread the word.

29:23.37

klahro

Yeah, but yeah, okay, because the potential I guess was was there also five years ago or ten years ago but it's not that big. We we hope maybe someday.

29:30.84

Fredrik Wallin

Of course.

29:36.55

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah I think I think it will be good to you know a big a big tournament and fun tournament like Eki see if it comes to Spain more people in Spain will you know and they may promote it really nice more people will learn about kube.

29:53.19

klahro

Yeah.

29:56.81

Fredrik Wallin

I don't know I don't have ah the perfect answer for that. But I think if you if you promote tournaments like the nice events that the Ekcr or you know most of the tournaments it will grow bigger.

30:08.43

klahro

Yeah.

30:14.38

Fredrik Wallin

But people would like to community.

30:16.44

klahro

And how how do you want to? get these these people in Sweden now to become a bit more professional or to become a little bit more yeah serious player because of course. They come once for the tournament for the fun and it's a great tournament and they like it and maybe tell everybody. But yeah, how can we get the switch to become a player and not just once time player.

30:49.70

Fredrik Wallin

I don't have a good answer for that. Actually why do people start playing football because it's fun when they're kids you know I think ku is a sport I'm not sure from corrector. But I think you when you start playing Kube it's like.

30:53.23

klahro

Okay.

31:08.84

Fredrik Wallin

When you start drinking beer right? Yeah, so you're like 18 or twenty years old when you start playing cob and then then it's hard to you know they have had a many years to pick a hobby I can't see it's very hard.

31:22.27

klahro

Yeah.

31:28.25

Fredrik Wallin

To see in front of you a cub school for five year olds and to make profit of it. You know.

31:34.67

klahro

Yeah, yeah, it's hard I Guess so um, so we have to spread the word a little bit more and connect it with the beer. Okay.

31:46.38

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, best most important part now.

31:51.46

klahro

But some some way is always a little bit a problem because in typical sports. There's not so much beer. How do you see that and because in in in.

31:59.25

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, no ice actually but.

32:06.55

klahro

Cup You have a lot of beer or other drinks maybe wine or something cider and do you see any problems of that. No perfect. Okay.

32:08.99

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah.

32:16.42

Fredrik Wallin

No I don't.

32:23.26

Fredrik Wallin

No I think it's it's a part of the sport in in many you know since it's a meeting with friends playing Kub that was the original game right? playing just for fun.

32:25.14

klahro

So yeah.

32:35.56

klahro

Are.

32:39.72

Fredrik Wallin

And now that you can compete in it that it has been getting more and more serious. That's not a bad thing. Of course but you cannot remove the beer from the from the cub then a lot of people will stop playing Coba I'm sure.

32:53.66

klahro

Yeah, probably yeah so how do you? How do you? um play group Usually you you are you still training or.

33:09.19

Fredrik Wallin

No, not so much anymore I.

33:10.78

klahro

So you just meet at the Turnham at the tournaments or maybe some days before and play a little bit. Yeah yeah.

33:16.47

Fredrik Wallin

You mean with the team or yeah, yeah, this is a big problem of our team in blue orange. That's we meet of very often the day before a tournament we haven't met in one month and we go out parting because it's so nice to meet everybody and then we were tired in the tournament. We actually have ah have a rule now that we meet on if the tournament is on a Saturday we meet on the Thursday instead and go out and have all the depth. Yes.

33:46.21

klahro

Yeah, very good idea I can remember I can remember what we had 1 game in in the case you wake up and and we managed to win against you. But.

33:53.10

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, are getting older.

33:58.27

Fredrik Wallin

1 um, what.

34:06.10

klahro

Yeah, it was the the first game in the morning and Marcel was still sleeping. So yeah in Switzerland yes.

34:08.61

Fredrik Wallin

Okay, yeah. Oh yeah, oh the Casey a cup. Yeah yeah, yes, but he slept the whole day. He never he never got up. But I yeah forgot about that. Yes, It's what's good that we were for guys troubling. Otherwise we wouldn't have had a team.

34:27.66

klahro

Yeah, yeah, and was yeah, very good idea to go to the tournament and see.

34:33.10

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, he slept until 6 in the evening or something.

34:39.10

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, but it was a you know it's nice to meet people and on the Friday and the board was open a little too late. Maybe so.

34:44.80

klahro

Yeah, of course when when I can say in my point of View. You are also a little bit the he had the connecting and a little bit Also the the fun guy in your team and not maybe the. Very straight and totally focused cook player is that right.

35:09.50

Fredrik Wallin

Maybe I don't know we used to train a couple of years ago we trained for hours and hours and hours. But I was still funny I hope but but nowadays it just you know life.

35:26.44

klahro

Yeah.

35:27.50

Fredrik Wallin

3 kids a lot of work either. It's impossible to get training that you want.

35:34.36

klahro

Yeah, of course, but you also I guess ah an ambitious person because when you started to say okay we will organize e casec I guess it's needed some minutes and you said yeah. But we have 122 fields sorry ah so it will be the biggest ekc ever. So are you an aitious person. So.

35:59.47

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah I am of course I 1 friend of mine. A very successful one. He told me that this is very good for you Frederick because. Now you're doing something else beside accounting and um, ah, he says this is going to be great and I hope he's right, but this is actually of course a big challenge I have never done something like this before but I know I have we have the right team for it.

36:19.86

klahro

Okay.

36:32.20

Fredrik Wallin

I would never have done it if not Yuan and Dean and the Kub Gottlan said yes and the event company and I told them this is not going to be a moneybringing event. It has to be a fun event. That's the most important part and they are.

36:39.40

klahro

Yeah.

36:49.88

klahro

Yeah, and how have you how to say I'm divided with the company. Do you pay them or do they earn from their drinkings or how is that managed.

36:50.16

Fredrik Wallin

Totally in that as well.

37:04.36

Fredrik Wallin

We will the company I started together with camilo is for the fees and that will pay for everything that has with Kub to do.

37:15.56

klahro

Okay.

37:17.28

Fredrik Wallin

So we will we will pay for the fields. They are very expensive to rent. So that's 60% of the fees and and you know all the costs for toilets and stuff like that and event company. They will.

37:28.88

klahro

Oh yeah.

37:35.82

Fredrik Wallin

Sell all the bears because they have them. You know higher costs of course with the speakers and everything.

37:37.95

klahro

Yeah, so it yeah and they will also have the the the stuff for the bars and everything. Okay, yeah.

37:49.44

Fredrik Wallin

Yes, everything? Yeah, so that's why when you ask me how many are you in the Kub team and I say we don't we aren't that many and we will be many if you included the event guys. Of course.

37:59.86

klahro

It. Of course here. Okay yeah, but.

38:07.73

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, so we we have one we have a nice plan and I think it will will will work out great 1 event art and one could be part.

38:16.12

klahro

So you there so you actually, founded a cup company before me right? I don't know.

38:25.82

Fredrik Wallin

Did I it was like one month ago I registered the company.

38:30.72

klahro

Okay, no, then I was first. Okay, maybe let's talk a little bit about you as a player or when you said you, you trained a lot of playing did you just play. Or and trained like playing some kubernetes some fun or do you have some training methods.

38:51.82

Fredrik Wallin

We have always only played for fun. Yeah.

38:56.94

klahro

Okay, so no, no hey now, um, fifty Eight meter throws and yeah

39:00.76

Fredrik Wallin

No, no, no, that's boring and it started with me and pair was when we got into Kub that we were playing each other and I learned to drill the cubs. He was. He was much better than me at throwing but I learned to drill the cubs. So he said shit I cannot win anymore. So he has to learn to wield the cubs and then we played for hours and hours and hours and hours and then we became really good and then we met as you know in my cell and empire and I think it took off when we went to Belgium and played the the disus cup.

39:27.42

klahro

Yeah.

39:39.57

klahro

Um, okay, do you remember when when that was.

39:39.77

Fredrik Wallin

That was our first win as a team. We only lost one I think it was in 2016 or yeah, 2016 we lost our first game against a family with two small kids you know first game.

39:56.37

klahro

First game in the morning. Yeah, okay.

39:59.64

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, yeah, people came and asked us So why are you here. You cannot play groupop. So yeah, we're we're trying as hard as we can, but it went Well we won that tournament.

40:06.11

klahro

That is really that hey why are you coming from Sweden to Belgium just to lose.

40:15.52

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah I guess kids.

40:21.85

klahro

Nice, Okay, and yeah, but when you said you, you trained a lot and what would you say? did you did you learn then the most or what what skill did you? become better. The most.

40:38.58

Fredrik Wallin

We played. We had an area in Stockholm where we met like 3 times a week not only blue orange players a lot of players and we set up 2 or 3 fields and we played for you know 6 hours so we got a lot of throws in the you know in the backpack.

40:58.68

klahro

Yeah, okay, have you ever played at home by by yourself or just in the garden have a cook match now. Okay, okay, and have have you.

41:05.80

Fredrik Wallin

No I don't have a garden Hopefully hopefully this year since my oldest daughter and middle daughter was playing in the world championship that they want to go to the park and play cub but I wouldn't go and play. By myself in the park.

41:26.75

klahro

Yeah, have you ever played in the virtual cup match. No okay yeah that the own. Okay, how how was it? oh.

41:32.42

Fredrik Wallin

Nope no hand. Yes, the day you kc virtual tourment. We played? Yeah, but that's the only 1

41:43.76

klahro

How did you like it here a little with.

41:46.23

Fredrik Wallin

It's weird I think I think it's not scary. It's not fun. You miss out all of the the the things I think are most important with cook the social part every thing of it's gone.

41:58.25

klahro

Yeah, yeah, yeah, just it just just a we have function then ah yeah, okay.

42:01.45

Fredrik Wallin

So no.

42:05.63

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, exactly yeah, it's like playing a robot or something. Yeah.

42:13.36

klahro

Hundred term small I had some ah questions here. Wait. Okay, yeah, so that at the end not now but coming to the end. Ah, we have some fast questions I always ask and the first question is what do you like more coop on grass or at the beach. Why everybody is saying grass.

42:30.96

Fredrik Wallin

Or okay.

42:39.21

Fredrik Wallin

Grass.

42:46.67

Fredrik Wallin

I have never played Ku on a beach. Maybe that why.

42:47.27

klahro

Okay, this is the invitation. This is the official invitation for you and blue orange to come to our high beach cup in rostock. It's not so far away from Sweden there's a ferry directly to rostock so 22 of july.

43:01.40

Fredrik Wallin

Um, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, where the whole of our team will be in Gotland then we can take the ferry from got to rosock right? We can I will ask them.

43:06.80

klahro

See you there.

43:13.23

klahro

Yes, yes, yeah, it's a little. Ah, maybe you can go Stockholm Rostock Goodland so

43:25.25

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, it's a big tournament goes. Of course.

43:27.82

klahro

When you are coming of course. Yeah, it's usually about 32 to 40 teams. Yeah, and it's a it said.

43:40.41

Fredrik Wallin

Okay, that's nice.

43:46.44

klahro

Direct in rostock at the environment at the beach. So really nice with the sunset and everything. Yeah.

43:52.30

Fredrik Wallin

That sounds really cool. Is it a 3 player tournament all right send us an invitation have a level of it sounds nice.

43:55.15

klahro

Yes, yeah, okay, what do yeah So what do? what do you like more incasting coops or throwing on them hitting them. Okay.

44:09.41

Fredrik Wallin

Throwing hitting them.

44:12.35

klahro

Single player or team player shoeshot or Golden throw. So just one at the end.

44:12.81

Fredrik Wallin

Team player.

44:18.30

Fredrik Wallin

Short shot.

44:20.61

klahro

Is the shoes shot played some times in Sweden not but in midsummers eve they know it and playing or.

44:24.81

Fredrik Wallin

No No only in the midummer receive. They think it's mandatory that you have to hit the King with a shortshot. Yeah and that's very common. That's a common belief of how you have to win Ku. There's a lot of strange rules.

44:38.69

klahro

Really okay.

44:50.92

Fredrik Wallin

Out there I think I asked you no I asked Lucas about that I have received some weird questions right? I forgot to write and down and but oh I I don't have it I don't have it in my mind now.

44:53.70

klahro

Ah, yeah.

44:58.27

klahro

Yeah, but but what what would be another strange rule. What they think in their midsummers and.

45:10.00

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, but 1 rule it might be that you have to have 2 sticks left for the king. So if you if you hit the last base and you only have one stick then you lose the game.

45:15.75

klahro

Yes, I yeah some some of us in Germany also played like this I often I often hear that. Yeah, okay, and and 1 one other is.

45:23.10

Fredrik Wallin

Um, okay yeah.

45:32.74

klahro

When you incasting the coops and they they hit each other then you can build build them up like like a tower or something. Yeah, okay, nice, funny. In.

45:38.36

Fredrik Wallin

Um, yeah, yes, yes, death. That's true. Yeah.

45:49.25

klahro

In the in the tight game. What do you like more focus or trash talk.

45:53.57

Fredrik Wallin

Never trust or focus.

45:55.68

klahro

Okay, focus for yourself in the team or or how is the situation in your yeah yeah and how is the the situation in your team do have do have fun talk or is it.

46:01.20

Fredrik Wallin

No for more for our team never care about the openings.

46:15.59

klahro

Really serious talk then is it strategy or.

46:18.63

Fredrik Wallin

Always strategy and fun. Talk never never serious.

46:21.20

klahro

Okay, yeah, no serious. Okay at the beginning 2 4 6 or 6 at all, shock or groups so that.

46:31.89

Fredrik Wallin

2 4 6

46:36.18

Fredrik Wallin

What.

46:39.13

klahro

Shock the the tournament system like this the swiss model We we yeah and the you can see one or with the groups. Yeah, as a organize a year but you personally so.

46:41.53

Fredrik Wallin

But the KC one e k c I have to say right.

46:54.96

Fredrik Wallin

No I Really liked the setup with a easy I think it's very nice that you will always meet teams as good as yourself I think it's really good.

46:56.76

klahro

It.

47:02.15

klahro

Yeah, your dress code sporty stylish lazy.

47:09.62

Fredrik Wallin

We have both we we we have shirts now you have seen them right? The blue shirts with the oranges on them. So that yeah we don't anymore we have grown up and gets matching shirts.

47:18.50

klahro

Probably I read just remember the socks. You always had the socks.

47:29.13

Fredrik Wallin

But we we use them in the world cup this year and also in the ec actually so issues using the scene.

47:29.70

klahro

Okay, my mind is blown away.

47:36.52

klahro

I I should know I should know. Sorry yeah, but there's yeah, there's a nice, the nice logo on it. It's blue orange.

47:45.20

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, so so as an answer I would say sporty sporty shorts and stylish shirts.

47:56.23

klahro

Are nice, perfect so barefoot or shoes. Okay, yeah, oh.

48:01.48

Fredrik Wallin

Of both I would say that depends on the grass if it if it's if it's wet I don't like to wear shoes because it's I think it's slippery.

48:15.98

klahro

If it's wet. You don't like shoes. Okay.

48:18.60

Fredrik Wallin

No, it will you know it will ruin the shoes I always have nice shoes. Yeah that I have to be barefoot you know in Belgium we had to play barefoot the whole day.

48:28.11

klahro

Ah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, and ah did that in any any way ah had influence on your game.

48:40.96

Fredrik Wallin

No I don't think so no.

48:45.36

klahro

Okay, and what do you like more now organizing or playing. Okay, so do are you said that you're not playing at the a kc.

48:50.92

Fredrik Wallin

Playing them 4

48:59.47

Fredrik Wallin

No, no, not at all I think it's amazing to be planning the ekc so I was aware from the start of course I cannot play but it's very nice to be 1 of the organizers.

49:04.52

klahro

Yeah.

49:10.14

klahro

Yeah.

49:17.64

Fredrik Wallin

But in the long run I don't want to organize every tournament and never play I will rather like to play. Yeah.

49:20.90

klahro

It Yeah and I guess I know the answer but during play beer or water. Okay, cheers. Yeah.

49:29.50

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, you know dancer.

49:38.44

klahro

Okay, Frederick I guess you have a nice overview about copen Sweden and the a nice update of the kc.

49:49.25

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah I should have if I had known about the question regarding Kub in Sweden I would have read a little more about the tournaments in the nordo of Sweden because it's so new to us. We really want to go there and play. But. I don't know where they are. It's ah it's like thousand kilometers north. It's very or yeah, it's a 10 hour drug so I don't think we will go because we don't know about you know it's in the summer always of course.

50:08.48

klahro

Okay, okay, yeah, add.

50:19.14

klahro

Yeah, yeah, and of course now this year you also need good to go to raw stock and so.

50:22.10

Fredrik Wallin

And then we are always at gottlands. So um, yeah, actually yeah.

50:34.69

klahro

Yeah, what? what are your other plans this year do you go to any tournament in Europe.

50:38.90

Fredrik Wallin

We have not talked about that actually at all. Usually we always have something but of course the ekc it's you know it's holy, but and of course the world cup in the summers. But.

50:49.96

klahro

That yeah.

50:57.25

Fredrik Wallin

That's more natural because although every team member is on gotlan the whole summers.

51:02.36

klahro

And out. How do you decide as a team where and how when do you play tournaments.

51:09.69

Fredrik Wallin

I think before covid we just you know talked. Let's go to this one? Yeah, you know we disguise Kub tournaments in Europe as we do guys trips and we disguise them as. Kub tournament for our wives. Yeah I hope my wife doesn't hear this? Yeah but that that is the truth from the beginning.

51:29.34

klahro

Yeah.

51:38.00

klahro

Yeah, so I some in some German interviews here I already asked if we need more family tournaments. Do you do you think it's better to have just like a guy trip tournament or.

51:55.92

Fredrik Wallin

what I what I prefer guide trip tournament or family tournament I think maybe in a couple of years the family tournament but when the kids grow up but guy guy tournaments or trips or is.

51:56.91

klahro

Do you need the families. Yeah.

52:13.40

klahro

Yeah, is in just 1 more question in in Sweden other the woman also play a lot of cop or because and if you see the ekc it's 80% man I guess maybe maybe more.

52:14.17

Fredrik Wallin

Very nice. Also.

52:27.33

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah, it will be nice to see how it's it how it's in the world championship. But I believe it's more like sixty forty percent 60% guys I think it's a lot of women playing.

52:31.31

klahro

So.

52:38.50

klahro

Here. Yeah, okay, do have.

52:44.97

Fredrik Wallin

But in the local portnaments we play in stockcomlm. It's 90% guys yep but I think if you make it. That's that's the the thing if you make it a nice event then there will be more women when it's very competitive.

52:48.67

klahro

Yeah, okay.

53:02.95

klahro

Yeah, so now with the event company in it. Maybe we see a little bit more women. Also okay, nice Frederick. Thank you very much. Do you have anything.

53:03.99

Fredrik Wallin

More guys I Think yep.

53:11.17

Fredrik Wallin

I Think so in the freshman's cup. Yes I'm sure I'm sure. Yeah.

53:20.58

Fredrik Wallin

Um, all right.

53:22.93

klahro

To say? do you want to greet somebody.

53:27.20

Fredrik Wallin

Um, know it's It's fine.

53:28.86

klahro

Okay, yes, so thank you I will stop the recording And yeah, we see each other at lately at the casey. Yeah, okay.

53:40.20

Fredrik Wallin

Yeah I think we will meet before I hope so is there any tournament we shouldn't miss it before you think? yeah, we always went to the the benefit store in Berlin.

53:49.12

klahro

Before the ecacy. I'm so neutral.

53:56.49

klahro

Yes.

53:59.61

Fredrik Wallin

But that was for the guy trip you know to parting in Berlin and then of course play co but generally that no never. It's a big one that.

54:02.33

klahro

Yeah, of course have you be have you been in shin have you been in shint hard you should go and there you should there. You should definitely should be at Wednesday evening or. And latest Thursday morning because this is a really good guide trip then because in Germany in Germany you have the like have to say the father's day and everybody is drinking beer and the team of the Hager Club shinta day.

54:27.62

Fredrik Wallin

No.

54:41.70

klahro

Organizing the the beer area and everything on Thursday and it's a big big party over there hundreds of people hundreds and and then you have Friday for recovering and Saturday to play.

54:51.71

Fredrik Wallin

Well.

54:58.32

Fredrik Wallin

Cool. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Yeah well I will I think the problem is when you know when the kids are growing Now it's the tournaments are getting fewer and fewer.

55:01.12

klahro

Yeah, so you should go there speak speak with the end. Yeah.

55:15.88

Fredrik Wallin

And the guys trips are getting fewer fewer I don't know it's hard.

55:15.99

klahro

Yeah, so if if I can give you a 1 advice take this? Yeah okay, thank you very much.

55:27.96

Fredrik Wallin

Um, yeah, ah I will yeah I will So thank you Thank you? It was amazing I I.

55:34.91

klahro

You yeah.

55:42.84

Fredrik Wallin

I Need to wait for something now to finish or.

55:42.94

klahro

Wait Yep wait I press.